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Tutorial Vopsirea figurinelor 1/35 din plastic

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Re: Tutorial Vopsirea figurinelor 1/35 din plastic

Postby Marhaba » Wed May 01, 2013 9:18 am

Zeno, in viitorul apropiat (in functie de timp) intentionez sa fac o noua incercare, de data asta exclusiv cu acrilice (zic acuma).
In prima faza voi incropi o "wet palette", cu hirtie cerata (vorba lui Razvan) sau hirtie de calc, mai vad. M-am aprovizionat cu vopsele, pensule si apa distilata si am ascuns manusile de box :)
Intrebari:
- daca folosesc wet palette , mai trebuie retarder? Oricum folosesc vopseaua la picatura, nu la farfurie ca si Cartacci, pentru ca bugetul este restrins , plus ca importatorul de Valejo in Romania este hapsin si nu vrea sa lase din pret la vopsele.
- mai zi o data Zeno cit retarder sa bag.
- am vazut undeva o chestie de genul: pt basecoat vopseaua se dilueaza 1/1 (o picatura vopsea, o picatura apa), vorbim aici de Valejo Model Color , pt lumini si umbre, parerile oscileaza intre 1/3 si 1/5 dilutie. Ce parere ai de procentele astea si cum influenteaza retarderul asupra dilutiei?
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Re: Tutorial Vopsirea figurinelor 1/35 din plastic

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Re: Tutorial Vopsirea figurinelor 1/35 din plastic

Postby Marhaba » Wed May 01, 2013 9:19 am

Figurinele 1/35 sunt prea mari deja pentru tehnica asta (zise marele vopsitor de figurine). Cu wash si drybrush nu rezolvi BLEND-ul, adica trecerea lina de la o culoare la alta, de la umbre la basecoat si mai departe la lumini. Asta desigur in cel mai bun caz cind washul si drybrushul sunt facute ca la carte. Daca asta nu dauneaza la figurine de la 1/48 in jos pt ca nu se vede prea tare , de la 1/35 in sus deja se vede.
Sigur ca mi-e plin podul de teorii, dar in curind am sa ma apuc si de practica.
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Re: Tutorial Vopsirea figurinelor 1/35 din plastic

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Re: Tutorial Vopsirea figurinelor 1/35 din plastic

Postby Zeno » Wed May 01, 2013 9:20 am

Iertare ca intervin in discutia voastra.
Prin drybrush NU se face BLEND.
Alexandru ce descrii tu nu este tehnica wash + drybrush, despre care este vorba aici.
Pe scurt: Vopsesc figurina cat pot de bine; aplic un wash si sterg excesul; las sa se usuce; fac un drybrush pe suprafetele cele mai inalte; sigilez cu lac incolor; GATA. Arata bine din avion. E bine?... Nu-i bine?... depinde de modelist si ce vrea de la modelele lui.
Dublul standard este comun si chiar incurajat. Adica: subiectul meu preferat sunt blindatele. Fac o vigneta cu un blindat si-l bibilesc, ca-mi place subiectul. Mai vreau sa pun doua figurine pe el, dar nu ma pricep prea bine. Nu-i nimic... aplic wash + drybrush si am rezolvat problema. Hop, dublu standard. Cert este un lucru. Aceasta tehnica are avantajul ca este rapida. Nu necesita abilitati cine stie ce dar am taiat exact ce am vrut sa evit. Adica coltul. Tehnica nu lasa modelistul sa se dezvolte. Uitate la acest topic. Este exact ce spune-am. Un blindat tip-top si o figurina (probabil mai multe) facute prin wash + drybrush. Dublu standard. Asta este un subiect ce trebuie sa dea de gandit modelistului.
Inca o data, mii de scuze.
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Re: Tutorial Vopsirea figurinelor 1/35 din plastic

Postby alexelu_marinelu » Wed May 01, 2013 9:21 am

Nu m-ai inteles, Zeno. Nici n-am sustinut ca DB=blend. Stiu prea bine cun si cand se fac fiecare sau amandoua.
Dar sustin in continuare ca acelasi rezultat se poate atinge in mai multe feluri, mai exact prin mai multe tehnici, folosite separat sau combinat.
Depinde de abilitatile modelistului, iar nu de o lege machetistica scoasa de un detinator al adevarului absolut.
Intotdeauna, rezultatul final in ansamblul lui va conta, nu tehnica de executie.
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Re: Tutorial Vopsirea figurinelor 1/35 din plastic

Postby Marhaba » Wed May 01, 2013 9:22 am

O sa mut aceasta interesanta discutie la vopsirea figurinelor, ca sa nu-l suparam pe George.
Alex eu vorbesc doar din "auzite", deci e clar ca sunt cel mai supus inexactitatilor in discutia asta.
Dar: interesul meu este maxim in ceea ce priveste vopsirea figurinelor iar pe traseul documentarii am dat de niste diagrame de genul celor de mai jos:

Dupa cum se vede blend se realizeaza doar cu uleiuri, de fapt. Cu acrilice se da SENZATIA de blend, prin aplicarea a MAI MULTOR straturi succesive care sa insele ochiul cum ca trecerea de la o culoare la alta e lina.
Acuma eu ma gindesc asa: tu poti sa faci drybrush cu oricite nuante vrei pentru ca tot doar ultima se va vedea. In drybrush vopseaua se aseaza NUMAI pe creste , de aceea zic ca doar ultima se va vedea. Deci trecerea de la basecoat la ultima lumina tot brusca va fi. Zic eu, sau poate imi scapa ceva si in legatura cu drybrush-ul.
Pe mine ma enerveaza foarte tare cei care nu au facut niciuna sau au facut 2-3 machete si deja se cred experti sa-si dea cu parerea. Nu asta este intentia mea sa ma cred pictor de figurine doar dupa teoriile pe care le-am citit, ca sa fim bine intelesi si sa evit orice deranjament intestinal. Dar vreau sa inteleg fenomenul si desigur intr-un final (?) sa ajung sa le pot vopsi asa cum vreau.
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Re: Tutorial Vopsirea figurinelor 1/35 din plastic

Postby alexelu_marinelu » Wed May 01, 2013 9:22 am

Cred ca, in principiu, ai dreptate, Ovidiu.
Simplist, blend inseamna sa pui doua nuante una langa cealalta si apoi sa amesteci linia de demarcatie. Pare simplu, dar nu e. E simplu pe o suprafata plana si relativ mare, care sa iti permita miscarile pensulei. Daca te pricepi, poti face asta si cu acrilice, si cu enamels, si cu uleiuri.
Evident, cel mai simplu e s-o faci cu uleiuri, datorita proprietatilor vopselei.
Acuma. Dry brush nu inseamna ca vei ramane numai cu nuanta finala. Depinde de insistenta. Daca primul db il faci mai energic, urmatorul mai finut, urmatorul mai finut si tot asa, vei avea tranzitii intre mai multe nuante. Depinde mult si de tipul pensulei, si de directia miscarilor, si de zonele pe care actionezi.
Buss a postat o tehnica cu aerograful. Eu zic ca rezultatul e elocvent. Fiecare isi dezvolta o tehnica potrivita, care de fapt e un ansamblu de procedee.
Revin si subliniez parerea mea. Din practica se dezvolta tehnica. Asa ca, apuca-te de vopsit cu incredere. Pe parcurs, daca vrei sa atingi un anumit nivel, vei descoperi si cum. Teoria e simpla. Practica nu.
Tutoriale am vazut zeci. Tehnicile difera mult intre ele (jimenez, cartacci, benedek, igor, oleg si multi altii), desi rezultatele sunt impecabile toate.
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Re: Tutorial Vopsirea figurinelor 1/35 din plastic

Postby Buss » Wed May 01, 2013 9:22 am

Tot intr-un tutorial am observat ca blending se poate face si cu acrilice, daca nu ma insel chiar Jimenez explica, cu acrilice valejo si retarderul lor. Demonstratia era facuta pentru decolorarea suprafetelor vopsite (paint fading) pe un tanc, si era exact tehnica cu punctele de vopsea aplicate pe o suprafata plana apoi blenduite cu pensula umeda cu apa. Avand retarder 50/50 punctele de vopsea nu prindeau sa se usuce si puteau fi cu usurinta intinse. Bnauiesc ca acelasi procedeu se paote aplica si la figurine si la orice e nevoie de lumini si umbre.

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Re: Tutorial Vopsirea figurinelor 1/35 din plastic

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